A while ago I stumbled on some Mainstream PUA’s blog (not roissysphere 6th tier gamer, but one of the higher level, more mainstream 2nd tier gamers), and this guy was spouting feminazi arguments and lies to justify female laziness. I had responded to correct him and pointed to MRA proof that those things were lies, but I now revisited the article again by chance (firefox auto-complete brought it up in the address bar)…
And what do I see? My comments are deleted and gone. I’m pissed. It’s one thing to have bought into feminazi lies and to be spreading them, but when he is corrected and pointed to MRA, he deletes it because it challenges gamer misandrist “man up coz da wimminz have it hard” dogma?!?
The article itself is where some guy (I’m guessing an MRA?) asks this gamer a few logical questions about gender roles and female laziness. The reader is asking the gametard why women in today’s “age of equality” are still so god-damn-fucking lazy and wait for men to do all the work. This is this PUA’s response.
1) I want to strangle him for being such a pussy cry-baby.
Oh, so challenging the status quo makes you a pussy cry-baby? For the record, I myself, probably have done more approaches and escalations than most PUA-bloggers (and still do on a regular basis), so I obviously have the “balls” to do it. Yet I still challenge the insane double standard. By this moron’s logic, a man could only possibly ask that question if he doesn’t have the balls to approach or ask women out. As if we men are supposed to love the fact that we live in a society that expects us to put in all the effort, and women none.
HINT: Do you not see the paralels to fucking feminazi blogs? They use the EXACT same shaming language when you challenge the status quo. They actually SAY “oh you cry-baby”.
This old shaming tactic says that a man only challenges the gender status quo if A) He’s not getting laid enough B) Doesn’t have balls – > Re: Roosh Sniping At MRAs
It is the OLDEST TACTIC IN THE WORLD at getting men to SHUT UP and “take it like a man” and never challenge the gender status quo.
Read David Deida books and you’ll understand the deep genetic drives we have as men and women.
David Deida is not a geneticist, he is a new-age fruitcake mangina, so fuck you. The ungrateful bitchiness and spoiled narcisstic entitlement mentality in the dating life of the modern western woman has only existed for 20-30 years, so don’t give me this genetic bullshit. Forums like HAPPIER ABROAD and expat forums didn’t exist 30 years ago you moron. Genes don’t change that fast you fucking pathetic rationalizing little worm. The herbivore generation did not exist 30 years ago you moron. Don’t throw around fancy terms like “genetics” if they’re too hard for your puny little gamer brain.
Where were those genes for the past 6000 years prior to Andrea Dworkin and Steinem? Stop making excuses. Women have been relieved of 13th century gender role limitations that they disliked (you know, shit that takes effort)… So the social contract has been made void. You can’t mix and match 21st century gender roles for women, and 13th century “be a man” roles for men.
You’re a MAN for God’s sakes… why are you trying to force women to risk embarrassment, public rejection, and social upset!?
YES! HOW DARE YOU EXPECT women be EQUALS!?!?
Do you not realize that you as a man are EXPENDABLE!!! We expect you to make all the sacrifices and risks!!!!! Your psyche is there to be battered and bruised!!! Thou shalt sacrifice!! Be a man and s-a-c-r-i-f-i-c-e.
Women already have enough on their plates… worrying about how they look, how people perceive them, physical dangers of dating, etc.
Ok, those of you who still doubt that PUAs are feministic, can you not see how the above sentence could have been written by fucking amanda fucking marcotte, like word-for-word? Read this amazing piece by John/Jakob on happierabroad. He explains this misandric undercurrent in game-dom very well.
Notice how all the “dangers of dating” rhetoric is straight of the UTTERLY VILE and misandric “she fears you” courses.
The reality is that the rejection we get from a “I don’t give my number to strangers” is harmless.
That’s abso-fucking-lutely un-fucking-true. I’ve got like 40 studies on my hard-disk about rejection. I’ve not read them thoroughly yet, I’ve just skimmed them, but they do seeem to most abso-fucking-lutely find long-term damage to the psyche caused by rejection. It’s not “harmless”, and asking men to take all the damage while women laze around in “age of equality” is pure bullshit.
In fact…
The reason men’s suicide rates are so much higher is because society keeps asking men to punish their psyche in all areas of life and never complain “lest one be accused of being a cry-baby”.
It’s always “harmless” sacrifices that these guys are asked to do… But then you look at the suicide rates and you realize it’s a case of “a death by a thousand cuts”. Society asks men to inflict those cuts, one at a time in all areas of life… “oh, it’s just a harmless cut, you’re a man, take that cut”… That’s how you get a “death by a thousand cuts” -> otherwise known as suicide. Because all of these cuts looked at in isolation “seem” harmless… but multiply that by the thousands of cuts men take through their life just for being men -> and you have a serious battering of the psyche.
Q:I don’t care if I am a “MAN”, like you say, why does it have to be the “MAN’S” job? is it because Men are naturally, biologically, physicall stronger than Women?
A: No, it’s because of pure chivalry and heroism that it’s your duty to step into that dark scary room ahead of your date… not the other way around.
What kind of “man” expects the woman to face such dangers?
Q:In a way, you kinda are implying that the reason us men have to take the initiative is because we are the dominant sex.
A:Ha! If that’s what you think, then read it again. I’m saying the person with the most masculine traits (typically the man, but not always) should be the one taking the risks.
Would you let your sister or mom walk ahead of you into a dark dangerous room? I hope not.
It’s the same with dating… don’t ask her to take the risk of rejection. Besides, how can she respect you if you proven yourself cowardly before she’s even gotten to know you?
Do you NOT SEE the “man up“ language that is at the core of PUA-fucking-dom? Do YOU NOT SEE IT?
A: If you can’t find those guys [who are amazing with women], then read about them. Start with “The Game” by Neil Strauss.
Q:None of my friends are amazing with women, they are all single. Seriously, women have always had it easier, and they always will have it easier.
A:It’s that “limiting belief” that’s messing you up. The reality is that woman have it WAY harder than us guys. Put yourself into the shoes of any cute girl and you’ll become overwhelmed by the unrelenting unrequested attention from creepy and dangerous men. You can’t relate because you’ve never felt the physical/emotional dangers women do when dating.They need protection we don’t, so don’t blame them for being picky – blame men for making them feel unsafe.
OH MY FUCKING BS = I ASSURE YOU, THIS WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ANDREA DWORKIN. IT WASNT WRITTEN BY AMANDA MARCOTTE NOR BY JEZABEL. THE ABOVE WAS WRITEN BY A GAMER.
1) And there is absolutely no objective evidence of such a thing. If you remove feminazi lies, it is so apparently clear that women do have it infinitely easier. This is why people have to regurgirate feminazi lies in order to maintain said female privilege. Stupid insane logic like “She fears you, therefore she’s lazy” which is a complete non-sequitor. Or insane logic like “A tiny percentage of women ‘starve’, therefore you need to do all the work with all women”.
2a) You fucking moron “creepy” is euphemism for “he wasn’t my type”. OMG it’s soooo horrible, I have to get offers i don’t like OMG!!! I’d so much prefer to be rejected and humiliated instead… dealing with offers from men that aren’t brad pitt is soooooo horrible!!! Re: ElevatorGate here and here and here
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2b) What “dangerous men” you fucking mangina? First of all it’s untrue as has been demonstrated by the MRA. You as a man are much more likely to run into dangerous men then a woman is FACT. Secondly, ask any player about how often he has to change car windshields (chicks are extremely violent when they don’t get their way, watch any carrie underwood or pink video or the VIEW). Third, it’s a complete fucking non-sequitor. How does that justify being lazy?
3) Yes, this fucker REALLY did just say “blame men“. It’s still on his website, right there, in black and white. Blame men for being evil proto-rapist scumbags and creepy dangerous fucks that create female laziness…
In fact, that’s what all of game-dom does, and has always done “blame men”. As Jakob explains so well, game was always based on taking agency and responsibility away from women.
MRAs – don’t mind correcting this guy. We have archived copies in case he pretends he never spouted this misandric crap.
Do you mean working out 5 days a week, eating hardly nothing to stay thin, buying endless makeup, hair extensions, hair coloring, high heel shoes, perfumes, dresses, eye lash extensions
What the fuck are you talking about? Have you left the house lately? I know you gamers love to stay online and masturbate to playmates all day, but go fucking see the real world – most women are not playmates. Most women don’t do even 20% of the shit you listed, but they’re JUST AS LAZY when it comes to dating and act AS IF they were playmates. Any man who has tested this will tell you that contrary to the belief of inexperienced men, unkempt 5s aren’t much easier to pickup than 10s, they’re often just as spoiled and entitled.
Go into a fucking walmart and find me evidence that “women are starving themselves”. This sounds like right out of a fucking Naomi Wolf book. What fantasy world do you live in where the average woman is starving herself? It must be the same fantasy delusional world as Paleo blobs who don’t see the blob in their mirror.
If your logic applied, then less put together women would be less lazy in dating,but we know that’s not the case all that much. Even unkempt, unshowered feminazis that whine about “social pressures on female beauty” are just as fucking lazy and still wait for men to do all the work.
In fact, feminazis write entire blogs mocking, bashing and humiliating men who won’t do the work (re: marcotte posts and her commenters on “nice guys”), which SWAP brilliantly takes a swipe at right here.
Even the fucking bitch who invented “the sexual liberation of women” miss Germaine Greer admitted in her books that she fucked all the guys she fucked without lifting a finger and doing nothing more than throwing a hint now and then. She was the bitch who fucking invented the whole notion about women being supposedly “sexually repressed by society” and tried to demonstrate she can fuck her way through masses of cocks as a way of “liberating herself from gender roles”. But even she never lifted a finger and still waited for men to do all the work. Funny how they never wanna let go of that gender role, huh?! The one that actually means you have to stop being lazy.
books to explain how to catch a guy, coffee’s with girlfriends to find out if he really likes you,
She wouldn’t need those fucking goddamn books and coffees if she woman-ed up and asked the fucking guy out. This is circular logic you mangina.
and self defense courses in case he tries to rape you?
No wait, that’s what women do.
I assure you my friends. HE REALLY DID SAY THAT. No, this is NOT from Marcotte’s blog, lezabelle or radfem. This is just a typical gamer guru.
Now go compare this shit to what the lazy privileged trash known as clarisse thorny wrote here. Do you not see its the exact same shit, almost word-for-word? No wonder she’s now teaching at gamer conferences and doing collaboration projects with gamers now.
Read some of the stuff that Jakob wrote on how the community spreads misandry by promoting ideas that assume women are “more equal” and men have a “duty” to “man up”:
http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/2008/12/treat-women-as-equals.html
http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/2011/03/damaging-community-concepts.html
http://tomenunite.blogspot.com/2010/08/women-are-not-justified-in-being-very.html
http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/2009/10/its-not-always-your-fault.html
http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/2008/03/dont-be-afraid-of-using-logic.html
http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/2009/07/david-deangelo-undermines-your-progress.html
Specifically, here’s one explanation from the last piece in this list of articles by Jakob:
You will not internalize anything truly powerful and long lasting using David D’s [gamer's] advice.
Jump farther
Run faster
Leap higher
… Because it gets women.
The problem with David D (like most seduction “gurus”) is this: He puts women on a pedestal. He assumes that getting women is like getting to the top of a tall mountain, and by giving you all these “tools” you will be able to scale the mountain and get the women.
These seduction teachers are no different from the typical guy who buys women drinks, dinner, and gives compliments, in order to win them over. They are merely using more “sophisticated” tools to win the women over (climb the mountain).
But they miss the reality; the mountain is an illusion. Women are not nearly that far up. They are actually at ground level. And once you realize that you are basically done.
So the best way to “climb” the mountain is to say: “there is no mountain”. And the mountain will come to Mohammed (so to speak).
It’s funny, all these “tools” that men are taught on how to get women are basically ways of making it seem like you’re not using tools at all. In other words, climb the mountain without making it look like you’re trying to climb a mountain. But what’s the point of that? Just don’t bother trying to climb, or assume that you have to.
Here’s a gem from one of David D’s newsletters:
“Women test men CONSTANTLY.
And ATTRACTIVE women test men MUCH MORE INTENSELY than “regular” women.
If you don’t know how to spot these tests (and most of them are very subtle), and then deal with them, you’re going to lose your chance to create ATTRACTION before you even GET it.”
Again, the mountain analogy applies: Women test men CONSTANTLY, therefore men must be up to the “challenge” or they will lose their chance (oh-no).
Can you think of anything that drains more of your power than this one single statement?
That mountain is indeed very high. You gotta get in great shape. You gotta get the right climbing equipment. You gotta do all these things or you will miss your chance to reach the top of that peak.
And the more attractive a woman is, the more INTENSELY she will test. It’s like climbing frikkin Mt. Everest lol.
And furthermore, the tests are subtle so you better learn how to spot them and deal with them.
Give me a break!!
How to be a wuss in a man-costume — that’s what David D [gamers] are advocating here.
